2. Clement of Carbonear and schooner:
3. The Noel property in Harbour Grace:
The Noels were in Harbour Grace prior to owning the properties in Freshwater (From the Freshwater property document) and plantation survey of 1804. The property the Noels were on in Southside Harbour Grace seems to have been handed down from the DeQuettevilles ca 1740, to Nicholas Fiott ca 1776, to John Clement and be occupied by the Noels and the Yetmans well prior to 1804. The Noels and the Yetmans were said to be related to the Clements.
4. After further DNA testing the Noels seem to have a YDNA connection to the Bareneed Newells. Further YDNA testing by other Noel/Newells would be helpful.
5. The Jersey connection is in need of review. Done 20 years ago the family tree tracing back to Edmond Noel may no longer be valid. New trees have been posted on Jerripedia which conflict with the tree posted. If they are correct the existing tree possibly only has a Messervy connection correct, and even that should be reviewed I think.
6. There has been a good participation in autosomal DNA from Noel descendants through the various companies. I am now seeing about 30 Noel kits on GEDmatch where kits from the various companies can be compared.
7. Clement Noel Jr worked for the Slades while the family was in Moreton’s Hr. He seems to have been there from 1808 (possibly 1805) to 1815 at least. Joseph Neal recorded in the 1836 census there is possibly Joseph Noal who would have been born ca 1809.
Taylors who seem to be cousins of the Noels were nearby. Joseph Noel died in Harbour Grace.
8. John Noel living 1813 -1815 at least on Martha Butt’s property in Crocker’s Cove.
The First Newell
The Search for Richard Newell (Factor ca 1623)
The quest for this man is based on the earliest Noel/Newell mentioned in Newfoundland. Thomas Cole records him as a factor for John Slaney the Treasurer of The Newfoundland Company.
Recently John Philip Newell published an article based on Richard Newell’s Journals.
He has started a website documenting his family research. He started researching the Newells of the Dock (Bareneed) and has pursued various Noel/Newell genealogical strands for many years.
A broad list of those involved in the first colony:
A few Noel items here:
Coletips Index to other surnames and more here:
Geoff Martin’s notices – Noel/Newell/Neil
Family Search Update
Family search has made their data more user friendly. Most recently they made all their Vital Statistics searchable:
Vital records are now entirely searchable……
The Colonial Secretary’s Letterbook
by Olaf U. Janzen, Professor of History
Grenfell Campus, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Corner Brook, Newfoundland
I had not seen these indexing projects before and found them very useful:
The Colonial Secretary’s Letterbook & CO 194 Indexes
Norman C Krischke
This site is possible because of the work of Norman C. Krishke. In this version of our website we have abandoned 2 principles of his research. First we have abandoned the family lines that made up his book “Gather up the Noels”. I felt we had connected enough of the lines that a tree format made more sense. The second change is that I have tried to force the early Noels into their most likely locations, if necessary, by weak family links or even timing. This has given a Macro view of the family which was never possible before. After this exercise I must now go back and correct obvious errors and get feedback from researchers who have better information on specific individuals and family units. This exercise has already borne fruit but researchers should consult me if they have issues with some of the early data. The basis of all this work remains Norman’s monumental efforts in tracking down all the Noel family lines of Newfoundland. I hope he would approve of our efforts. Some chapters of his book may be of interest to various researchers and they should contact me for more info.
Norman’s Main line of interest – William Noel & Elizabeth of Harbour Grace
Frances Newell nee Mugford and the Port de Grave Connection
An update on Nicholas Newell and Frances Mugford from Walter Batten:
Aug 5, 1817
Nicholas Newell, St. John’s Planter Memorial. Married Frances, the eldest daughter of the late Robert Mugford of Port de Grave , Planter deceased. The Mugford Will in 1772 left land there to his wife Ann and then to his daughter Frances. Mugford died about 1794. His will:
His widow died in 1813. She had leased the property for 31 years to John Walsh who assigned it to Pete MacPherson who now would not pay. Sep 15, 1817. Continuation of Case. Frances claimed the property and won.
John Noel, father of John Frederick of Harbour Grace tied in
Gloria Bruce has managed to tie-in the John Frederick Noel line. Norman Krischke had believed this line originated in Jersey. Gloria found the death certificate identifying his birth place as Moreton’s Harbour. David Pike provided baptismal information going past 1900. An interesting record:
|Noel, John||25. Oct. 1816||23. Feb. 1907||Noel, Clement & Mary||Moreton’s Hr, Green Bay||Fisherman|
Baptised at 91 years old……
This puts him in a family unit with sister Elizabeth and probably makes him a great grandson of Clement of Carbonear.
How Far Back Are We Going To Go?
I had just turned back the dial on Clement below when I got slammed by another early indicator.
Nicholas Newell has turned into a most interesting character. He made the 1794 census in Quidi Vidi. His wife’s estate was in dispute and clear records were left about his family. He seems to have left a business document. There is a reference to a Port de Grave property in the family. If that was not enough……there are 2 versions of the 1794 census posted that are not identical. The one I was using lists him as born in Newfoundland. The other one puts 99 years for how long resident. I take this to mean his family has been in Newfoundland for more than 100 years. This puts the Noels/Newells back to the late 1600’s assuming DNA continues to indicate a connection for various lines. I hope I am interpreting this right, I could not find a clear answer online.
I think I was already heading to that conclusion. Clement Noel/Newells are scarce in England. Clement with the Jersey influence and an early Clement surname, is more common in Newfoundland. The door remains open for ties to the Trinity Newells and also some early St. John’s records. There is also Richard Newell in the Port de Grave area in 1623.
A Fresh Look at Clement Noel of Freshwater
Born ca 1725 or even 1715
I was recently looking at the Nicholas Newell line which ends up in Pouch Cove. I ended up estimating Nicholas Newell’s birth at 1755. Clememt Newell of Freshwater’s birth had long been viewed to be 1735, assuming Clement 1760 was his first son. This would be normal in a Jersey family but not so much in an English one. In order to check the feasibility, I went back to look at the obituary found by John Philip Newell of Elizabeth Hudson (nee Newell). This was new info I had not yet incorporated. I thought she had died young in 1797. But what I had read quickly as 25 years was 25 years since a religious change. I estimated her age at death as 47 making her born in 1750 – confirming the previous assumptions. This moves the Noel/Newell generations back by 10 years. The assumed children such as Neil probably had more children earlier before records survived. If Nicholas is the first son it may be a potential indicator of Clement’s father’s name as well.
An estimate of the birth of James Noel of Bareneed is ca 1740. I think it is possible he is the son of Clement as well. The DNA connection (12 marker match) between Bareneed Newells and Harbor Grace Clement of 1804 opens the door for this direct family link. This would mean Clement may have been born around 1715 and died in 1795 at 80.
The earlier start of the family could partially account for the rapid proliferation we see in the Noels/Newells.
Carbonear Noel/Newells spread out?
Ted Newell of Bareneed recorded:
James Newell of Bareneed b ca 1740 – pretty early
Nicholas Newell of Pouch Cove b ca 1752 (had property in Port de Grave District)
Abram Erel (Noel?) of Burnthead ca 1742
Daniel of Nicholas? to Grate’s Cove b ca 1775
History of Freshwater by Roland Noel:
and Graham Butt:
Joseph Noel Ancestors in Jersey
2 generations tracked here:
Jerripedia – Jersey Information Update
Jerripedia has posted indexed baptismal information for all parishes. They will be following up with marriages and burials. This will be hugely helpful for linking families across the pond.
Henry Noell with Gilbert 1578 (W. Gosling) but backs out
If a Henry Noell joined Gilbert later as reported here it must have been another relative.
from Thomas Cole Notes
1675 – Ship: Bricksom Merchant, Brixham, Capt. Nicholas Newell, (Nowell) bapt Brixham 1630 s/o Philip
1705- Bonavista- Captain of the Pembroke from London, John Noll (his brother?).
This Knoll name appearing in this 1704 document is likely Charles Nowles
(or his family) who appears in 1706 St. John’s inhabitants
Josiah Noel founded Bridgewater in the 1880’s. He was the son of Moses Noel (b. 1816). Josiah lived in New Bay and Chance Harbour before settling in with his family in Bridgewater where his descendants still live.
Jersey Documents (with translation)
A very big thank you to James Brannon. He first posted that he had the Noel/Renouf documents about 10 years ago. When we contacted him he provided us with copies. The Lower Canada (Quebec) document outlines a land transfer in 1812 between Henry Renouf, an ancestor of James Brannon, and Josue Noel of the Newfoundland Regiment. At the time the regiment was garrisoned in Quebec. This is probably just before Joseph departs to Upper Canada in the war of 1812. It identifies Josue as a native of St Mary, Jersey and his parents as Philipe, a tailor now deceased, and Rachel LeCornu. Josue, it is noted, signs as Joseph Noel. Joseph’s descendants if any have not been identified. The second document is the registration of the transaction in Jersey.
1817 – Tragedy on Sealing Schooner – Captain John Noel
Early in April, 1817 a sealing schooner belonging to Thomas Danson, a merchant of Harbour Grace, blew up a few miles off Cape St. Francis, at the mouth of ConceptionBay…………more
1831 – John Newell survives wreck of Azariah from Cupids
The Newell Family of Trinity Bay (link on right)
Frank Jones has given us permission to post his work on these Newells that he tracks from the 1600’s. It is a very good read and the effort involved becomes obvious as one follows the generations. He has some additonal data we will post at a later date. His work has been followed up by Herb Gaudie. We have Herb’s rough notes available on a line that moved to Carbonear and then Boston. We will try to reformat them shortly (use tools in PDF to rotate document). There is now interest in trying to tie-in the Newells of Bareneed to this line.
The Montreal and Quebec Eastern Township Noels
From about 1890 there were Noels moving from Newfoundland to Montreal. I have marked some of these on Directories and Census tables. If you spot more let me know. We have Samuel Noel of the Joseph Noel Line and Aaron of Jonathan in 1901. Later Nathaniel of the Bryant’s Cove Noels followed by Eldred of The Martin Noel line arrive. The 4 surviving children of Bertram – Reginald, Naboth, Annie and Cedilla are in Montreal in 1911. Naboth “Nabe” settled in Richmond in the Eastern Townships. Many of the Montreal Noels were in Verdun. Some were aware of this family as their numbers grew.
The Bryant’s Cove Noels (as opposed to Neils)
This branch looks like it migrated over the ridge from Southside Harbour Grace in the 1860’s or so. The branch seems to feature the name Frederick Noel frequently through the generations. At the moment it is preliminary and we are trying to fill in more details to feel more comfortable with this line. Of course we cannot enter Bryant’s Cove without meeting up with Eric Neil. This is one of his maternal lines.
The Lost Tribe? – The Thomas Noel Line
A couple of times over the years we have had references to the Thomas Noel Line. We seem to have pinned down to what family line it refers. The Thomas Noel line is the William and Elizabeth line (link on the left). To the best of our knowledge this is an independent line from the Jersey Noels. The name seems to be called the Thomas Noel line either because of William Thomas the son of William or because the family has actually preserved the name of William’s father. William Thomas married Elizabeth Higgins. The Hiiggins family had land in Southside Harbour Grace registered since 1775. The oral history of 3 brothers arrival in Newfoundland is shared by this branch.
Back at it
After a 7 year hiatus, I am back looking at Family History. I received an email from one of the Newells who came from the Bareneed clan. He had a match on my DNA and wanted to see how our families might be linked. I started to go back through things to see what I could come up with.
Joseph Noel Family Ties to Jersey Identified
While gathering additional information on Joseph I had come across a reference to an old land transfer document between Joseph and a gentleman in Jersey. The document stated that Josue Noel was the son of Philippe Noel and Rachel LeCornu of St. Mary Jersey
I contacted a number of researchers who were interested in the Noels and we have started communicating again. Eric has sought the details of Joseph’s military life and reviewed the property transactions he was involved in. We have also been trying to bring separate branches of the Harbour Grace Noels into the main tree. I think we have had some success although it is still a work-in-progress and should be taken as such by serious genealogists. At the same time we have launched this new blog to replace our old website.
The old website remains active until everything is transferred.