Pouch Cove Newells – Nicholas Newell the Start

I think the new information on the Trinity/Bonavista Newells potentially has some significance for the ancestry of Nicholas Newel:

Thomas Cole had found a number of Newell references which I also wanted to include. The descendants chart was possible because of legal proceedings over land rights amongst Newell family members. In stating his case Jonah Newell explicitly went through the relevant members of his family to show that there were no other claims from his father’s siblings who had all died with no wills. Likewise he showed that there were no descendants of these male siblings. In fact he seems to have perjured himself, probably unknowingly, as Thomas III had indeed left a will in Poole. Is it possible there were descendants in Poole who went unrecognized as well? I could find no clear information indicating such a case. Since all the potential claimants from Jonah’s side have been dealt with, any stray Newells remaining were likely from the opposing side in the dispute – the descendants of James Newell. Thomas Cole has identified 3 siblings I think. It seems some of his information comes from his work on the Abbott family. Some of his sources are not readily apparent to me. The reference to William Newell was a very brief one. I wondered if it could have been the as yet unidentified brother of James.

What this exercise does is provide a possible connection point for the various Noel/Newell lines across Newfoundland. Nicholas Newell indicated in the Quidi Vidi census of 1794 that his family had been in Newfoundland more than 100 years. This would be true if he connected to one of the James Newell lines. James Newell of Bareneed could fit in nicely if he was named after his grandfather. Nicholas Newell had a Port de Grave connection through his wife and possibly they were brothers. Joseph Noel in St John’s would fit this time frame . Clement Noel of Freshwater would also fit. The bulk of his oral history, however, points to Jersey.

Some new Tidbits – August 1, 2013

There was  another Frances Mugford Newell  – from a researcher:

I came across your Newell page and I was wondering if you have parents for Frances Mugford Newell born in Pouch Cove abt. September 20, 1855 (according to the 1901 Quebec census), She was married to Francis Latimore Morris who was born in St. John’s.

On NGB message board:

The only info on Julia Ann Newell’s ancestors is her father was James Newell and her mother Matilda. You probably know that Julia was born in 1859 and died 25 February 1951. (She married Valentine Butler)

Given the proximity of Torbay, it is possible that Mary Ann Noel below is from the Pouch Cove Newells.

Mary Ann Noel Torbay 1847

From another researcher this family rhyme:

First, my mother’s people are descended from the Newell’s of Pouch Cove – my g-grandmother was Caroline Newell, daughter of Jacob and Caroline Newell.  I have a little poem about her family that was passed on to me by my mother, and looking at the records on your website I think I have figured out who all the people are.

Poem about Nanny’s family (Newell), written out by my mother:

“Polly, Emily, Billy, Rich
Silent Tim, Beat and Sis
Jake, Joe, Suse and Sal
Abe and Low
Bess and Cal


According to Mom,
Jake = Nanny’s father Jacob Newell
Joe = Nanny’s uncle
Suse = Nanny’s mother, Susanna Evans
Sal = Uncle Joe’s wife
Cal = Caroline (Nanny herself)

Low may be short for Apollos – Mom thinks she might have had a great uncle Apollos (confirmed by parish records, Jacob and Caroline had a son Apollos).

Jacob and Caroline also had an Elizabeth, so Bess is Caroline’s sister.

Frances Newell nee Mugford and the Port de Grave Connection

Mugford Family

An update on Nicholas Newell and Frances Mugford from Walter Batten:
Aug 5, 1817
Superior Court
St. John’s.

Nicholas Newell, St. John’s Planter Memorial. Married Frances, the eldest daughter of the late Robert Mugford of Port de Grave , Planter deceased. The Mugford Will in 1772 left land there to his wife Ann and then to his daughterFrances. Mugford died about 1794. His will:

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/cbc-mugford-robert-7-168.shtml

His widow died in 1813. She had leased the property for 31 years to John Walsh who assigned it to Pete MacPherson who now would not pay.Sep 15, 1817. Continuation of Case. Frances claimed the property and won.

I believe Nicholas Newell represents the start of the Pouch Cove Newells. He entered into a rental agrrement for the Port de Grave property of his deceased father-in-law. That being the case I would expect that he himself could have joined his sons in Pouch Cove from Quidi Vidi.

After his death though Frances was living in St John’s in 1836.

Nicholas Newell-Walsh rental ag

transcription:

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/cbc-walsh-john-newell-nicholas.shtml

His sons however seemed to have relocated to Pouch Cove circa 1800.

Nicholas Newell has turned into a most interesting character. He made the 1794 census in Quidi Vidi. His wife’s estate was in dispute and clear records were left about his family. He left a contractual document. There is a reference to a Port de Grave property in the family. If that was not enough……there are 2 versions of the 1794 census posted that are not identical. The one I was using lists him as born in Newfoundland. The other one puts 99 years for how long resident. I take this to mean his family has been in Newfoundland for more than 100 years. This puts the Noels/Newells back to the late 1600′s assuming DNA continues to indicate a connection for various lines. I hope I am interpreting this right, I could not find a clear answer online.

I think I was already heading to that conclusion. Clement Noel/Newells are scarce in England. Clement with the Jersey influence and an early Clement surname, is more common in Newfoundland. The door remains open for ties to the Trinity Newells and also some early St. John’s records. There is also Richard Newell in the Port de Grave area (Cupid’s) in 1623.

Carbonear Noel/Newells spread out?

Ted Newell of Bareneed recorded:

James Newell of Bareneed b ca 1740 does not fit – back to work

Nicholas Newell of Pouch Cove b ca 1755 (had land in Port De Grave District)

Isaac Noel of Burnthead b ca 1765

Daniel Noel to Grate’s Cove b ca 1775

The first indication I can see so far of a Newell in Pouch Cove, is the Abigail Newell marriage in 1806. I would expect they would be well-settled at this point.

Nicholas Newell was a stray first picked up in Harbour Grace in 1785. We have Nicholas and Frances records for 2 children nearly 20 years apart.

Newal John Nicolas   & Frances 29 May   1785 St Paul’s, Harbour Grace
Newell George Nicolas & Frances by Rev. John Jones 15 Jan 1804 1st Congregational,   St John’s

In 1794 he appears in the census of Quidi Vidi.  The family consists of Nicholas and Frances. They have 3 boys and 1 girl with them. Frances’s estate papers of 1838 indicate 7 children John, Nicholas, Robert, George, Abigail, Anne and Margaret. The sons are descibed as surviving sons. I think this infers that Elijah was a son but has died. The papers also indicate she had a property in Port de Grave. It is possible Daniel was a son and either he or Elijah had moved away to work.

Various estate documents here:

Frances Newell 2

Nicholas Newell Jr estate

Newell Estate documents transcribed here (including Richard and Isaac):

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/1estate-n-idx.shtml

In 1830, widower Nicholas Newell Jr  of Pouch Cove marries  widow Anne (Anastatia) Roberts of Adam’s Cove; not too far from Freshwater & Carbonear. She may be related to Jane Roberts who married George Newell in St John’s and died at 35 in 1834.  Clement of Freshwater had a daughter Elizabeth Hudson in Adam’s Cove who died in 1797.  This leads me to believe that Nicholas was possibly from Carbonear, a son of Clement of Freshwater born ca 1725. There is oral history that says Clement was an Englishman.

Nicholas Sr or Frances secured property in Port de Grave at some point. I believe thet Nicholas` sons moved from Quidi Vidi to Pouch Cove between 1794 and 1805. There his son Robert (no birth record) started his family and Abigail and Anne his daughters lived as well.

Nicholas Newell Descendants Chart link:

Nicholas Newell

William Newell b ca 1828 of Pouch Cove/St John’s

R. Stanley has very good info on this line. He believes this line ties to Poole.

I have started an Isaac Newell tree:

Isaac Tree

Misc Records Updated Dec 29th

Pouch Cove Marriages

Vital Stat Births

Pouch Cove Voters Lists

James Newell 1870, Pouch Cove

Apollos Newell 1890

Jacob S Newell

Julia Ann of Jacob & Sus 1894 n

John Thomas newell 1880 of John and Jane

William T Newell border

Misc Records Updated Jan 1 2013

Vital Stats marriages

Noseworthy pouch cove 2

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I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ANYONE OF THE FAMILY WHO CAN HELP ME

COMPLETE THE VARIOUS FAMILY LINES – THANX

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Re: Newell Family

dcroughwell1  From Message Board 2001

Greatgrandmother Jane Newell Baldwin, nee April 6, 1864, Pouch Cove, Nfld., Canada. Parents: James Newell & Mary Jane Cox, but no info on them. She married John Baldwin also of Pouch Cove, 1888 xmas eve. They immigrated to US, New Hampshire in 1911. Do not know anything about her siblings. Went to Pouch Cove this summer, only info was from a Samuel Newell who stated the Newells were from Wales.

A Strange Record

Nikolaus Knoell in 1783, Newfoundland, Canada

Hessian Troops in the American War for Independence: An Index According to Surname and Hanau Regiment. Date and place of entry in unit books. Year of birth, place of origin, rank, unit, category of presentation, and archive code of the source are also provided (ancestry.com). Seems to conflict with other data.

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