A researcher recently pointed out a family group that Eric Neil and I had passed over.
The Knills of Harbour Grace below have been proven to match a family from Exeter, Devon through the YDNA test. This family became the Joseph Neil line of Bryant’s Cove.
The baptismal records from Harbour Grace are here:
|8 Jan 1784||child||Humphrey & Mary||Knill||Joseph|
|8 Jan 1784||child||Humphrey & Mary||Knill||Richard|
|8 Jan 1784||child||Humphrey & Mary||Knill||Humphrey|
|8 Jan 1784||child||Humphrey & Mary||Knill||Joanna|
|8 Jan 1784||child||Humphrey & Mary||Knill||Elizabeth|
The question has been raised whether Joseph Knill (Neil) born in Harbour Grace was related to George Neil of Bryant’s Cove. A good question…….
Oral history though, states there is a complete separation of the 2 family lines. Hopefully this can be proved through further DNA testing.
George Neil’s son Bartholomew moved to Spaniard’s Bay where he named his son Humphrey.
Also this burial must be tied-in:
|26 Dec 1798||Humphry||Neal||about 20 yr||of Brians Cove|
Eric has a record of Joanna marrying William Ryal of St. John’s December 2, 1807.
A return from the Commissioners for the Relief of the Poor of Harbour Grace Division, from 1848.
Humphrey Neal I.M. – 75 lbs, Mol – 2 gal. Lab – 5 dys @ 2s
Some data was gathered on the Knills
A Joseph Knill was recorded in 1709 in Bay Bulls:
Seary also records him in St John’s the same year but I cannot find the record.
In the same area at Renews Thomas Cole discussed the connection of Joanne Knill
of Bishopsteignton to the Whitborn family there:
from that discussion of the firm of William Cole & Thomas Whitborn Jr at Renews 1759 :
Correct – it would not necessarily follow that he was a young man – but I am thinking in terms of the fact that his father was named Thomas [that is Thomas who married Joanne Knill].
Now the father of Thomas [snr] [he who married Joanne] was a son of Richard Whitborne [b] 02 May 1692 and who on 25 Feb 1723 married Katherine Allen.
So there we have the three generations –
Richard/Thomas/Thomas. It is not unlikely of course that Thomas [jnr] was
learning the trade – Sir Richard Whitbourne [his about 4xggf] first learned his
seamanship as a boy with I believe “Master Cotton of Poole”.
Anyway, should you at any time turn up information on that line I would
………..Good Morning Thomas – and not sure who this particular Thomas may be.
I have Thomas [b] 16 Jan 1725 Bishopsteignton and who married 03 Mar 1746 Joanne Knill. He is a direct descendant of Sir Richard Whitbourn [1561-1635] and who settled the Newfoundland fishing disputes by Admiralty Commission in 1615.
They had a son Thomas [b] 25 Apr 1748 Bishopsteignton and [d] 01 Apr 1802 West Teignmouth. If that is the Thomas Whitborn [jnr] n question he would only have been 11years of age in 1759.
Setttlement record in the Parish of Kingsteighton, Devon:
Richard Knill born in Newfoundland, North America and came to England when he was 21 to spend the winters in West Teignmouth with friends. He spent the summers in Newfoundland. In the winter of 1801 he married. He changed his residence to Kingsteighton.
Note West Teignmouth would border Bishopsteignton
Sworn at Wolbourough.
2565 A/PO 51/24 1802
|May 23||bark Westmoreland||Knill||05 April||Hull||to D. Fraser / in ballast|
|IDEFORD, DEVON||(from LDS)|
|George||Humphery & Ann Knill||25 oct 1778|
|Mary||Humphery & Ann Knill||22 Apr 1781|
|Elizabeth||Humphery & Ann Knill||13 Jul 1783|
|Richard||Humphery & Ann Knill||06 Aug 1786|
|William||Humphery & Ann Knill||01 Jan 1789|
|Susanne||Humphery & Ann Knill||03 Mar 1793|
|Sarah||Humphery & Ann Knill||31 Jan 1790|
|Humphrey||Humphery & Mary Knill||15 Oct 1754|
|Knill||Henry||Teington Epi. [Bishopsteignton]||DEV||1681||A||le||ECCE||FRYB||A.|
|Knill||Henry||Teington Epi. [Bishopsteignton]||DEV||1682||W?||le||ECCE||FRYB||C.|
|Knill||Henry||Bishops Steignton [Bishopsteignton?]||DEV||esq||1770||W||le||MISC||Coleman – vol. 45, Item 472, p. 20||attested copy|
|Knill||John||Teington Episcopi [Bishopsteignton]||DEV||1731||A||le||ECCE||FRYB||A.|
|Knill||Mary||Teington Bishop [Bishopsteignton]||DEV||1749||A||le||ECCE||FRYB||A.|
|Knill||Sibella||Teington Epi. [Bishopsteignton]||DEV||1714||W||le||ECCE||FRYB||t.|
Humphrey Knill of Bishopsteignton [Signed]
Henry Knill of Bishopsteignton [Signed
Devon Freeholders 1780
Joseph Knill of Bishopsteignton, Devon. [no title] 1078/IRW/K/274 1833
|Posted by: David Knill||Date: April 14, 2000 at 20:51:26|
I am looking for the parents of Humphrey Knill of Tawstock Devonshire England. Married Catherine, Humphrey died on June 7, 1688 Cathrine died on April 8, 1677. they had the following children:
1. Cathrine Knill b.1651 d.1658
2. John Knill b.1654 m.1677 Rachel Gwinup
3. Rachel Knill b.1656
4. Cathrine Knill b.1659 d.1660
5. Humphrey Knill b.1661
About Humphrey Knill on the GENI website
“Anthony, I checked the microfiche for KNILL entries up to about 1670. Records of this age can be very difficult to read. As well, records were poorly kept during the English Civil War and following Commonwealth period. I did, however, find the following:
LX. CONTRACT WITH CHARLES KNILL. July 1, 1633. This present writing testifieth that Charles Knill doth covenant, with Capt. Walter Neale, Governor of Pafcattaquack, in New-England, in the behalf of Capt. John Mason of London, Efqr. and company, that the said Charles Knill shall serve at the plantation of Pafcatta- quack, for the use and benefitt of the said Capt. John Mason and company, from the date of this present writing until the first: of March next ensuing, during which said time, the said Charles Knill doth promise to doe all faithful service to the faid Capt. John Mason or his assignes. And the said Capt. Walter Neale doth promise in the be- half of the said Capt. John Mason, that the said Charles Knill shall well and truely be paid for his service during the said time, the somme of five poundes, either here in New-England or in any other place where Captain Johnn Mason, where the said Charles Knill shall conveniently appoynt, and the said Walter Neale doth further promise in the behalfe of the said John Mason, Esq. and company, that the said Charles Knill shall have pas- sage into England the next yeare after the said terme expires, in any such shipp as shall be sent hither for this plantation, provided that the said Charles Knill shall serve in the aforesaid plantation untill the shipps departure (if it shall be soe required) after the rate aforesaid. In testimony whereof the said Charles Knill hath here unto subscribed, this first of Julie, 1633. This is the true coppie of the covenant between Capt. Walter Neale and Charles Knill in the behalfe of the company. — New Hampshire Provincial Papers. Vol. I. p. 75. From Province Records. Book I. p.