Harbour Grace Noel Lines

 

clement house img

Harbour Grace house of Clement Noel Jr born ca 1760

Clement Noel  Jr of Freshwater seems to be the the head of most of the Harbour Grace lines. He first married Patience Taylor and after she died married her sister Mary Taylor. It appears that some of the children from the first marriage followed their father to Harbour Grace where he started his second family. The family was settled in Southside Harbour Grace at the time of the plantation records ca 1804. Some of his children are recorded and others are presumed. During a downturn in the economy in 1816, it looks like he placed a bond secured by his house. This was for debts of 73 pounds to Nuttal & Cawley Co and it would seem Clement lost the property (with transcription).

This is a curious note I will follow up:

25 Oct. 1781

Richard Edwards

Charles Garland, Harbour Grace

Orders to measure the boundaries of a fishing room bought by Clement Noel of Harbour Grace.

http://www2.swgc.mun.ca/nfld_history/Letterbook/GN2-1-A-9.htm

 

clement bond 1816_bright

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/cbc-noel-clement-nuttall-1816.shtml

It looks like he went to Moreton’s Harbour for a time.where possibly some Taylor relatives were located. His son John was born there. In 1831, William (married to Grace Sheppard), Jonathan and Joseph purchased the house back for the Noel family from Hugh Danson who was in financial difficulty.

William Jonathan and Joseph NOEL secure land

Thank you Gloria Bruce

Family History Data

Norman Krischke had the following oral history on the Harbour Grace Noels linking the sons of Clement Jr of Freshwater:

John and Clemence Noel brothers1

This is likely inaccurate. Simeon and James Archibald were likely 1st cousins once removed. The connection between the family lines is likely valid though. Norman had this John born in 1814 as John Frederick from oral history but supporting documentation cannot be found.

Known and speculated children of Clement Noel Jr b 1760 in Freshwater:

Clement jr

Earlier family connections can be found on these pages:

garlands

http://familiesofnfld.wordpress.com/category/taylors/

http://familiesofnfld.wordpress.com/category/moores/

 

Another Stray John Newell married Mariah Parsons:

Mariah was the daughter of Charles Sr. and Susan(nah) Parsons of Bear Cove.

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/parsons-charles-1-478.shtml

Newell Charles Frederick John & Mariah 3 Aug 1838 Bear’s Cove Methodist
Newell Julia Ann John & Mariah 7 Nov 1839 Bear’s Cove Methodist
Newell Louisa Frederica John & Mariah 7 Dec 1843 Bear’s Cove Methodist
Newell William Edgar John & Mariah 9 Mar 1842 Bear’s Cove Methodist

I believe John may be the son of John and Frances Noel who was born Sept 10, 1812.

 

Newell Richard John & Frances 9 Apr 1815 S.S. 23 Feb 1815 HG st Paul’s
Newell John John & Frances 29 Sep 1816 S.S. 10 Sep 1812 HG st Paul’s

These Carbonear records are likely the same family unit:

NOEL Patience John & Fanny b Sep 10 1808 bap Jan 29 1812 Carbonear Carb Vital
NOEL Mary John & Fanny b Mar 9 1810 bap Jan 29 1812 Carbonear Carb Vital
b Dec 8 1816 Hr Grace, South Side NOEL John & Frances Fredrick bap Mar 25 1817

 

An Earlier Noel Connection to Harbour Grace???

1750 “De Quetteville was trading from Harbour Grace between 1750 and 1790, being linked as time went on with Nicholas Fiott (largest Jersey trader, also with land in Harbour Grace and their agent in London).” Philipe De Quetteville was president of the Jersey Chamber of Commerce 1863. The family business Nicolle & Co. was linked by marriage to the De Quettevilles. Nicolles were present in Harbour Grace and Carbonear.

In Jersey Elizabeth Noel married Philippe De Quetteville:

http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Descendants_of_Philippe_de_Quetteville

and here:

http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/St_Martin_de_Quetteville_descendancy

The De Quettevilles Freres Co. had an establishment on the south side of Harbour Grace, also known as the “Jersey room”, very early in the sixteenth century. The house on this property was called the Stone House and was built of freestone quarried at an island in the bay. Only the foundations now remain.

From The Newfoundland Quarterly – Spring 1936

“The Jerseymen Of Harbour Grace”

Quoted from the Survey of Settlements 1804…

“on the Southside of Harbour Grace the executors of John Clement claim 330 yards waterfront west from the Stone House. The Noels and the Yetman’s still living there are also originally Jersey families and related to the Clements”

Unfortunately at this point it is not absolutely clear to me that the Noels were linked to the correct Philippe De Quetteville who was active in the Gaspe and Labrador 1774-1785. DeQuetteville was the first firm established Blanc Sablon in the Strait of Belle Isle in 1784. They operated out of St Helier, Jersey which would explain the move by the above line from St Martin to St Helier.

DeQuetteville HG

By 1804 Fiott has also exited Harbour Grace. It is possible he flipped his properties there to John Clements. Clements also had a Northside HG property. It could be the Noels and Yetmans were operating the 2 stages on the old DeQuetteville property.

Also:

31 10 1751 Edmond Noel (St Mt) married Sara de Queteville (Gr)

04 Oct 1755 Sarah De Quetteville (Widow Of Edmond Noel) died

Thomas de Quetteville (1671-1733) married  Marguerite Noel( -1750)

30 09 1691 Thomas son of Clement de Queteville and Marguerite daughter of Michel Noel

Early Family Connections:

Looking for Jonathan

Jonathan Noel seems to be one of the hardest lines to sort out – not much in the way of baptismal records for children. Likely he was brother to at least Joseph and William (married Gracious).

This relationship makes a lot of sense based on the land deal of 1831 made by them  and the clustering of names in various directories and petitions later on. I have tracked Joseph’s son Jonathan Shepherd Noel to Woody Point. A Joseph Noel appears as a witness to marriages there but I did not realize it was the father. It seems the move was permanent. There is a cluster of deaths in Harbour Grace:

Jonathan 22 Feb 1876 70 South Side
Joseph 17   Feb 1876 65 South   Side
Josiah 22   Jan 1876 South   Side

I think Josiah was the son of Jonathan…….

Further details of Jonathan Noel were found in the Daily News as remembered by Matthew Martin in 1907:

https://noelhistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/matthew-martin-on-harbour-grace-4-articles1.pdf

A side note here: Geoff Martin has extensive research on the Martin family and would be interested in exchanging information with anyone looking at their Martin roots. He took my Martins back to the Ark.

 

From Matthew Martin’s recollections, it seems from that Jonathan was a very successful Master and sealer. He was from Southside Harbour Grace but bought a property downtown on Water street just east of Noad St. He developed (?) this property with a couple of buildings. He captained the Active and the Brothers (1852+).

Of the family lines that were unconnected, I believe Josiah and Aaron were brothers. When Josiah dies at an early age, Aaron and his wife are witnesses when his widow remarries. They both have sons Jonathan. A William Noel marries Ann Pinkstone with 2 Jonathan Noel witnesses. I believe these are his father and an uncle son of William.

Researching Josiah Noel I found a Bridgewater family and wondered if this was Jonathan’s son who might have moved. It turned out that this was Josiah of Moses Noel who had relocated. The history of Bridgewater says he was the founder of the town in the 1880’s. He had also lived at Chance Harbour and New Bay.

 

In Montreal

Aaron relocated to Pointe St Charles, Montreal and is found in the 1901 census with his son Jonathan. Aaron dies in 1904. As we have the family mapped out now, Joseph Noel Sr had a son Joseph Noel (died 1882) who would be Aaron’s cousin. In the 1900 Montreal directory there is a Joseph Noel (III? maybe) just down the street from Aaron on St. Magdalen Street (now Ste Madeleine Street) St. Joseph Jr’s other son Samuel is shown in this directory as well on Colerane (now Coleraine) about 5 blocks away. In the 1911 census Samuel Noel was on Bourgeois St (now Rue Bourgeoys) in Pointe St Charles along with Nathaniel of the Frederick Noel line. Rue Bourgeoys is parallel to Ste Madeleine one block over.

 

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/montreal-noels/

 

The following documents would not have been possible without the efforts of the many transcribers at Newfoundland & Labrador Genweb and Newfoundland Grand Banks. Particular thanks to Bonnie Hickey for her work on the Conception Bay region

Harbour Grace all Surnames – Transcriptions check for errors!

Sorted alphabetically so check name spelling variations carefully……

HG_Bap

HG_bur

HG_mar

HG_mar‑ bride

HG Death registers

HG Methodist Baptisms not in above:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2F5478378%3Fcc%3D1793777

From Gloria Bruce:

https://noelhistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/st-peters-cemetery-board-hg1.pdf

A  good summary of Harbour Grace History:

http://coveduck.com/settlement/19harbourgrace.htm

To add to that summary, I was surprised that in the burning of Harbour Grace in 1705, there were only 12 structures:

“I detached Sir de Bellestre with fourteen men to take possession of Harbor Grace which I had left a league and a half behind in order to surprise that of Carbonear. Sir de Bellestre , having taken possession of that harbor where there were twelve dwellings in which he found only ten men, who he brought back the same day, and eighteen women and children who had not been in our charge, having reported to him that the rest had fled; that same day in the evening,”

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Articles/montigny.shtml

Also when the first article was talking about 40 active mercantile establishments, I think this is for Conception Bay and not Harbour Grace. It is likely closer to 1750 than 1716 as well.

The Daily News Historical aticles of Harbour Grace:

In the 1950’s and 1960’s the newspaper ran regular articles on the history of Harbour Grace.

A number of family names are mentioned. Unfortunately the information must be sifted through…….

pioneer Names

1750-1820

1775-1900

1810_1838

1813-1885

1820_1850

1825-1850

1829_1878

1832-1903

1832_and summary

1850_1889

ships 1

Ships 2

ships 3

ships 4

ships 5

ships Spaniards Bay

saga of the sealfishery

Churches

Fire department

Postal

Decks Awash article:

http://collections.mun.ca/PDFs/cns_decks/DA_Vol11_No02.pdf

Body dropped on the doorstep of the magistrate

http://archivalmoments.ca/page/22/

 

Mummering incident

http://archivalmoments.ca/page/27/

Matthew Martin had some interesting history of the early Jersey families of Harbour Grace:

Matthew Martin on Harbour Grace 4 articles

Geoff Martin has extensive research on the Martin family and would be interested in exchanging information with anyone looking at their Martin roots. He took my Martins back to the Ark.

Sheppard Family of Harbour Grace from Norman Krischke. The early family data is unconfirmed and errors found in the document are worrisome. Nevertheless this seems to be the only information spanning from the 1600’s.

Sheppard Summary

Some early Parsons Family notes:

Parsons Summary

Photos and info here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000612212917/http://infonet.st-johns.nf.ca/providers/green/harbourgrace.html

From Gloria – contains many many photos:

Pictorial_Harbor_Grace 1910

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The First Newell

The Search for Richard Newell (Factor ca 1623)

The quest for this man is based on the earliest Noel/Newell mentioned in Newfoundland. Thomas Cole records him as a factor for John Slaney the Treasurer of The Newfoundland Company.

Recently John Philip Newell published an article based on Richard Newell’s Journals.

He has started a website documenting his family research. He started researching the Newells of the Dock (Bareneed) and has pursued various Noel/Newell genealogical strands for many years.

His website:

johnpnewell.com .

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A broad list of those involved in the first colony:

Coopers Cove 1610

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possibly a speculation, Cole has:

Richard, born abt 1580 m 1608 Margaret Coggan Lyme Regis Dorset / Slany’s agent in Newfoundland 1623.

Mr. Cole was pursuing the possibility Richard Newell had descendants in Newfoundland but it now seems unlikely.

Thomas Cole`s  summary of Newell info can be found here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050503061733/http://geocities.com/colestips/Newell.htm

A few Noel items here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091027184644/http://ca.geocities.com/colestips/Noel.htm

Coletips Index to other surnames and more here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040521174038/http://www3.sympatico.ca/colestips/index.html

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Geoff Martin’s notices – Noel/Newell/Neil

newspaper-clippings

 

Freshwater Petition:

Petition 1784

Family Search Update

Family search has made their data more user friendly. Most recently they made all their Vital Statistics searchable:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1929955

Vital records are now entirely searchable……

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The Colonial Secretary’s Letterbook

 by Olaf U. Janzen, Professor of History
Grenfell Campus, Memorial University of Newfoundland
Corner Brook, Newfoundland

I had not seen these indexing projects before and found them very useful:

The Colonial Secretary’s Letterbook & CO 194 Indexes

http://www2.swgc.mun.ca/nfld_history/Letterbook/

http://www2.swgc.mun.ca/nfld_history/CO194/index.htm

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Norman C Krischke

This site is possible because of the work of Norman C. Krishke. In this version of our website we have abandoned 2 principles of his research. First we have abandoned the family lines that made up his book “Gather up the Noels”. I felt we had connected enough of the lines that a tree format made more sense. The second change is that I have tried to force the early Noels into their most likely locations, if necessary, by weak family links or even timing. This has given a Macro view of the family which was never possible before. After this exercise I must now go back and correct obvious errors and get feedback from researchers who have better information on specific individuals and family units. This exercise has already borne fruit but researchers should consult me if they have issues with some of the early data. The basis of all this work remains Norman’s monumental efforts in tracking down all the Noel family lines of Newfoundland. I hope he would approve of our efforts. Some chapters of his book may be of interest to various researchers and they should contact me for more info.

Norman’s Main line of interest – William Noel & Elizabeth of Harbour Grace

 

Frances Newell nee Mugford and the Port de Grave Connection

An update on Nicholas Newell and Frances Mugford from Walter Batten:
Aug 5, 1817
Superior Court
St. John’s.

Nicholas Newell, St. John’s Planter Memorial. Married Frances, the eldest daughter of the late Robert Mugford of Port de Grave , Planter deceased. The Mugford Will in 1772 left land there to his wife Ann and then to his daughter Frances. Mugford died about 1794. His will:

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/cbc-mugford-robert-7-168.shtml

His widow died in 1813. She had leased the property for 31 years to John Walsh who assigned it to Pete MacPherson who now would not pay. Sep 15, 1817. Continuation of Case. Frances claimed the property and won.

John Noel, father of John Frederick of Harbour Grace tied in

Gloria Bruce has managed to tie-in the John Frederick Noel line. Norman Krischke had believed this line originated in Jersey. Gloria found the death certificate identifying his birth place as Moreton’s Harbour. David Pike provided baptismal information going past 1900. An interesting record:

Noel, John 25. Oct. 1816 23. Feb. 1907 Noel, Clement & Mary Moreton’s Hr, Green Bay Fisherman

Baptised at 91 years old……

This puts him in a family unit with sister Elizabeth and probably makes him a great grandson of Clement of Carbonear.

How Far Back Are We Going To Go?

I had just turned back the dial on Clement below when I got slammed by another early indicator.

Nicholas Newell has turned into a most interesting character. He made the 1794 census in Quidi Vidi. His wife’s estate was in dispute and clear records were left about his family. He seems to have left a business document. There is a reference to a Port de Grave property in the family. If that was not enough……there are 2 versions of the 1794 census posted that are not identical. The one I was using lists him as born in Newfoundland. The other one puts 99 years for how long resident. I take this to mean his family has been in Newfoundland for more than 100 years. This puts the Noels/Newells back to the late 1600’s assuming DNA continues to indicate a connection for various lines. I hope I am interpreting this right, I could not find a clear answer online.

I think I was already heading to that conclusion. Clement Noel/Newells are scarce in England. Clement with the Jersey influence and an early Clement surname, is more common in Newfoundland. The door remains open for ties to the Trinity Newells and also some early St. John’s records. There is also Richard Newell in the Port de Grave area in 1623.

A Fresh Look at Clement Noel of Freshwater

Born ca 1725 or even 1715

I was recently looking at the Nicholas Newell line which ends up in Pouch Cove.  I ended up estimating Nicholas Newell’s birth at 1755.  Clememt Newell of Freshwater’s birth had long been viewed to be 1735, assuming Clement 1760 was his first son. This would be normal in a Jersey family but not so much in an English one. In order to check the feasibility, I went back to look at the obituary found by John Philip Newell of Elizabeth Hudson (nee Newell). This was new info I had not yet incorporated. I thought she had died young in 1797. But what I had read quickly as 25 years was 25 years since a religious change. I estimated her age at death as 47 making her born in 1750 – confirming the previous assumptions. This moves the Noel/Newell generations back by 10 years. The assumed children such as Neil probably had more children earlier before records survived. If Nicholas is the first son it may be a potential indicator of Clement’s father’s name as well.

An estimate of the birth of James Noel of Bareneed is ca 1740. I think it is possible he is the son of Clement as well. The DNA connection (12 marker match) between Bareneed Newells and Harbor Grace Clement of 1804 opens the door for this direct family link. This would mean Clement may have been born around 1715 and died in 1795 at 80.

The earlier start of the family could  partially account for the rapid proliferation we see in the Noels/Newells.

Carbonear Noel/Newells spread out?

Ted Newell of Bareneed recorded:

James Newell of Bareneed b ca 1740 – pretty early

Nicholas Newell of Pouch Cove b ca 1752 (had property in Port de Grave District)

Abram Erel (Noel?) of Burnthead ca 1742

Daniel of Nicholas? to Grate’s Cove b ca 1775

History of Freshwater by Roland Noel:

http://www.freshwater-carbonear.com/

and Graham Butt:

http://www.oocities.org/freshwater_carbonear/notes_of_a_bygone_era.htm

Joseph Noel Ancestors in Jersey

2 generations tracked here:

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/category/joseph-noel-neal-military/

Jerripedia – Jersey Information Update

Jerripedia has posted indexed baptismal information for all parishes. They will be following up with marriages and burials. This will be hugely helpful for linking families across the pond.

http://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Family_records

Henry Noell with Gilbert 1578 (W. Gosling) but backs out

Sir Humphrey Gilbert fleet list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Knollys_(MP)

If a Henry Noell joined Gilbert later as reported here it must have been another relative.

early names nfld

from Thomas Cole Notes

1675 – Ship: Bricksom Merchant, Brixham, Capt. Nicholas Newell, (Nowell) bapt Brixham 1630 s/o Philip

1705- Bonavista- Captain of the  Pembroke from London, John Noll (his brother?).

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/category/brixham-devon-nowells/

This Knoll name appearing in this 1704 document is likely Charles Nowles

(or his family) who appears in 1706 St. John’s inhabitants

’1704 Thomas Newell document (Knoll also)

Bridgewater Noels

Josiah Noel founded Bridgewater in the 1880’s. He was the son of Moses Noel (b. 1816). Josiah lived in New Bay and Chance Harbour before settling in with his family in Bridgewater where his descendants still live.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=petenoel&id=I391

Jersey Documents (with translation)

A very big thank you to James Brannon. He first posted that he had the Noel/Renouf documents about 10 years ago. When we contacted him he provided us with copies. The Lower Canada (Quebec) document outlines a land transfer in 1812 between Henry Renouf, an ancestor of James Brannon, and Josue Noel of the Newfoundland Regiment. At the time the regiment was garrisoned in Quebec. This is probably just before Joseph departs to Upper Canada in the war of 1812. It identifies Josue as a native of St Mary, Jersey and his parents as Philipe, a tailor now deceased, and Rachel LeCornu. Josue, it is noted, signs as Joseph Noel. Joseph’s descendants if any have not been identified. The second document is the registration of the transaction in Jersey.

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/jersey-land-transaction-1812/

1817 – Tragedy on Sealing Schooner – Captain John Noel

Early in April, 1817 a sealing schooner belonging to Thomas Danson, a merchant of Harbour Grace, blew up a few miles off Cape St. Francis, at the mouth of ConceptionBay…………more

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/off-beat-history-tragedy-on-sealing-schooner/

1831 – John Newell survives wreck of Azariah from Cupids

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/02/1831-john-newell-survives-wreck-of-azariah/

The Newell Family of Trinity Bay (link on right)

Frank Jones has given us permission to post his work on these Newells that he tracks from the 1600’s. It is a very good read and the effort involved becomes obvious as one follows the generations. He has some additonal data we will post at a later date. His work has been followed up by Herb Gaudie. We have Herb’s rough notes available on a line that moved to Carbonear and then Boston. We will try to reformat them shortly (use tools in PDF to rotate document). There is now interest in trying to tie-in the Newells of Bareneed to this line.

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/category/newells-trinity-bay/

The Montreal and Quebec Eastern Township Noels

From about 1890 there were Noels moving from Newfoundland to Montreal. I have marked some of these on Directories and Census tables. If you spot more let me know. We have Samuel Noel of the Joseph Noel Line and Aaron of Jonathan in 1901. Later Nathaniel of the Bryant’s Cove Noels followed by Eldred of The Martin Noel line arrive. The 4 surviving children of Bertram – Reginald, Naboth, Annie and Cedilla are in Montreal in 1911. Naboth “Nabe” settled in Richmond in the Eastern Townships. Many of the Montreal Noels were in Verdun. Some were aware of this family as their numbers grew.

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/montreal-noels/

The Bryant’s Cove Noels (as opposed to Neils)

This branch looks like it migrated over the ridge from Southside Harbour Grace in the 1860’s or so. The branch seems to feature the name Frederick Noel frequently through the generations. At the moment it is preliminary and we are trying to fill in more details to feel more comfortable with this line. Of course we cannot enter Bryant’s Cove without meeting up with Eric Neil. This is one of his maternal lines.

The Lost Tribe? – The Thomas Noel Line

A couple of times over the years we have had references to the Thomas Noel Line. We seem to have pinned down  to what family line it refers. The Thomas Noel line is the William and Elizabeth line (link on the left). To the best of our knowledge this is an independent line from the Jersey Noels. The name seems to be called the Thomas Noel line either because of William Thomas the son of William or because the family has actually preserved the name of William’s father. William Thomas married Elizabeth Higgins. The Hiiggins family had land in Southside Harbour Grace registered since 1775. The oral history of 3 brothers arrival in Newfoundland is shared by this branch.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=petenoel4&id=I1

Back at it

After a 7 year hiatus, I am back looking at Family History. I received an email from one of the Newells who came from the Bareneed clan. He had a match on my DNA and wanted to see how our families might be linked. I started to go back through things to see what I could come up with.

http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/ParishRecords/HrGrace_ang_bap.shtml

Joseph Noel Family Ties to Jersey Identified

While gathering additional information on Joseph I had come across a reference to an old land transfer document between Joseph and a  gentleman in Jersey. The document stated that Josue Noel was the son of Philippe Noel and Rachel LeCornu of St. Mary Jersey

https://noelhistory.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/1812-jersey-connection/

I contacted a number of researchers who were interested in the Noels and we have started communicating again. Eric has sought the details of Joseph’s military life and reviewed the property transactions he was involved in.  We have also been trying to bring separate branches of the Harbour Grace Noels into the main tree. I think we have had some success although it is still a work-in-progress and should be taken as such by serious genealogists. At the same time we have launched this new blog to replace our old website.

The old website remains active until everything is transferred.

http://www.din.ca/noel/

Pete Noel